Terrain Theory

Rob Norris on his energy work cure, ionic wind generators, and Lightfield healing

December 04, 2022 Ben Season 1 Episode 45
Terrain Theory
Rob Norris on his energy work cure, ionic wind generators, and Lightfield healing
Show Notes Transcript

Rob Norris is a musician-cum-holistic healer who joined Mike in the studio to chat about his illustrious career with the power pop band The Bongos and the random session he had as a twenty year old with an energy healer that virtually cured him of a long-standing health issue AND planted the seed that would become his present-day incarnation as an energy worker with a practice in the Hudson Valley of New York.

In this conversation with Rob we discuss:

  • Lightfield healing
  • Ionic wind generation
  • Plant-spirit medicine
  • Reverse-aging
  • Community health events

...and more.

You can learn more about Rob's music at his Soundcloud Page and learn about the Holistic Health Community and its model.

Terrain Theory episodes are not to be taken as medical advice. You are your own primary healthcare provider.

If you have a Terrain Transformation story you would like to share, email us at ben@terraintheory.net.

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Music by Chris Merenda

00:02.65
bhardyx
All right? We are live Rob Norris welcome to the terrain theory podcast happy to have you here in ah this is another special occasion where our guest is in the studio with Mike Mike good to see you all right? Rob you are first and foremost a musician.

00:03.91
mike merenda
Thank you happy to be here.

00:12.36
mike merenda
Hello Benjamin

00:19.11
bhardyx
Right? This was like career number 1 for you as it were. It's it's both. Okay, let's talk. Let's just talk about the music part first and and we can get into some of these incredible bands that you've been involved in and musicians that you've been involved in.

00:22.64
mike merenda
Yeah, um, now it's both healing and music but initially it was all music.

00:37.42
bhardyx
With.

00:40.22
mike merenda
Okay, ah, geez where to begin. Um as a kid I was very interested in surf music. It just seemed like the coolest thing I'd ever heard. Um, and so yeah, all that adventures. Yeah safaris you know chantas All that.

00:50.72
bhardyx
Um, Dick Dale yeah Yeah

00:57.68
mike merenda
Astronauts and then um and it never occurred to me to play an instrument but I just love that stuff and then the Beatles happened it was kind of like okay this is this is what I want to do and then the most amazing thing was ah the velvet underground played their first show as a. Complete band with Maureen Tucker at the high school in the next town for me. Um, there was a local band called the middle class with a y who were still one of the best bands I've ever seen. They were kind of like the rascals meets Mitch Rider in the Detroit wheels meets the rolling stones. They were phenomenal. And they were deeply connected with Carole King they they did demos for her and Jerry Goffin and they did some demos for the monkeys and anyway they were the local heroes and they were managed by this guy ala roowitz who wrote for the New York post I think he was their music guy. Um, he's the one that famously introduced Dylan to the Beatles at the delmonco hotel and supposedly the Beatles got turned on to pot for the first time by Dylan at that meeting. So anyway, he was a local hero he but friend of mine was his babysitter and.

02:11.20
mike merenda
So anyway, he got interested in the velvet underground and booked them into this high school show of local bands and essentially it caused a riot. It was so transgressive it was beyond anything anyone had ever seen or imagined it was kind of like a ufo landed and. You know they're all dressed in black with shades really long hair is is the drummer a girl or a boy and it's really loud and they're doing songs like Venus and fur furs and heroin introducing heroin you know at this high school. It was insane. Ah, so that was my high school education seeing that was just like and Dylan was going electric and you know it was just like wow something's really happening here and I want to be part of it and had a high school band named after the manufacturer of the acid out in San Francisco you know until the owsley elevator you know.

03:11.26
bhardyx
Um, and and and so without would that speak to some of that influence in your life at that time.

03:14.14
mike merenda
I would say yeah lsd would be my first spiritual teacher. It really opened me up permanently. Absolutely just opened me up to so much that was beyond the matrix that of suburbia that I was living in it was just oh my god there's so much more.

03:19.63
bhardyx
Yeah, yeah.

03:31.88
bhardyx
Um, and so what? what? Um, what instrument did you pick up first.

03:31.91
mike merenda
That no one ever told me about.

03:37.40
mike merenda
Um I was struggling as a guitarist in my high school band I was never that good at it. You know, just um, yeah, nothing really ever clicked beyond my high school band and then. I found myself in England and with a bunch of aspiring folkies and someone said well there's too many guitar players someone much had played the bass and I said well I'll try it. You know I picked it up and was like oh yeah, this makes perfect sense. You know and. Three weeks later it was in the studio for the first time with this band this wonderful folkrock band I was in in London called far away. Um, and yeah, so it just went from there that that was the beginning of it. It's been base ever since? yeah, a little bit of. Keyboard little bit of everything but also percussion. Yeah yeah.

04:27.79
bhardyx
So okay, so once you transition to the to the base you know then like what happened with your career like when would you say you really took off.

04:38.69
mike merenda
Well, um, geez well that that was a little bit later but um I guess I came back to the states and was kind of floundering around and I had. Met the velvet underground when I lived in Boston before I was in England and had a lot of interactions with them particularly Lou Reed and I was working I was back at my parents' house with my girlfriend about to get married and. Ah, was contacted by Steve Seesnik who was aveve undergrounds manager and he was putting together. Another band called it was going to be called the rockets based in Ridgewood New Jersey of all places. Um and he recruited me into that band and he tried really hard to. To get us a record deal. We were kind of like the New York Dolls I guess you would sort of or aerosmith or very SStonesy we had a very charismatic lead singer from l a Hank Daniels who had been in a band called a sloths and he was amazing. He was the real deal. Um. But it never really clicked and then um, the velvets kind of broke up and they wanted they wanted ah to do one final album and 1 final tour but there was Maureen came to the house I got to jam with her which was really amazing Maureen Tucker

06:03.10
mike merenda
Um, and then sterling decided he wasn't going to be in the band anymore he wanted to go teach literature at the University Of Texas um so he recruited ah me and my buddy George K out of the rockets to be in the velvet underground and we went to england and did this tour Lou Reed was so furious because it was the time of transformer. Um, he later forgave me because we were label mates on Rca with the bongos. So that was the beginning of like oh this really is fun. You know playing in front of people and the english press was very forgiving of this kind of scab version of the v I didn't tell people about it for years I was so embarrassed. But. In retrospect, it is fun and then a japanese boxhead came out with some of the recordings and it was like really very good. You know it just wasn't wasn't the velvet underground. Um, so that kind of really launched things and a bit later. Quite a bit later about 6 or seven years later late seventy s I ended up in Hoboken and long story short There's a whole music scene started there. Um, and that's where the bongos were launched and that was really a rapid takeoff. It was like a rocket ship all the right things happened. We went. We started the club maxwell's by offering to play there in a slightly different precursor to the bongos called a just the letter a after Andy Warhol's book by the same title. Um, and.

07:34.63
mike merenda
We we recorded some singles somebody came over from England signed us right away to fetish records that was connected to the band throbbing grisel which was the most transgressive band in England at the time so we were label mates with them. And we just it just took off all then ah everyone started playing our singles and we made an album we signed with gem records over here and fetish we were fetish records in the estate we had a remote office in this big music building lower Broadway near canal street or near house and street. Um, and then we. Toured and we were friends with rrem. We were kind of like parallel they did things right? They stayed simple with a van and toured around. We got sucked into the hole you know music machine a little too much. Tour buses and yeah you know giant you know lawyers and managers and yeah, but the most fun part was before we got famous. We were traveling around the country and my folks lent us their ah Rv for a year while they went to Australia did did 250 shows that you know got to keep all the money right.

08:38.20
bhardyx
You.

08:46.59
bhardyx
How old were you at that time 30 and you were married. Oh it was over. Okay, okay.

08:46.59
mike merenda
You know it was really really fun. I was 30 and I know that was already over. Yeah ah but what happened was Bonnie who I married really wanted to have a family. And I really wanted to have a rock band. Yeah, and so we decided to go our separate ways and we're still dear friends and she immediately hooked up with someone and had started having kids and her a few years later went at the peak of the bongos her 3 year old daughter did a cameo in.

09:15.58
bhardyx
So.

09:25.11
mike merenda
Our most popular video as a baby. Yeah, it was this video done by the um, one of Fellini's camera people very grandy. It's a completely insane video numbers with wings. You know you can see it. It's on Youtube it's got all these cliche every cliche possible in it.

09:26.64
bhardyx
Ah, that's.

09:44.00
mike merenda
But it's meant to show the 8 stages of life of humans. You know in an archetypal and so Bonnie's baby was the baby. So our dreams got to dance together. It was really cool. You just use that word archetypal your story in many ways is archetypal like yeah you know. Beattles were hit and and Dylan's going electric and velvet underground plays at your school and your world is exploded by Lsd and you just dove in headfirst yeah and like the rest is history and it really is a story of. Like a real life human being here you are sitting next to me, you're a real person but it seems right out of a fairy tale in in like this rock and roll fairy talele and I feel like it's a vestige of a bygone era um, because the music we could. We could easily spend the next hour and a half just talking about music and the music industry. Um. But it's really cool to hear you to lay it out like that and sit next to you and and hear all the years of experience and wisdom gleaned and the parallels with my career and seeing bands get sucked into the the bus and the lawyers and the blab and then Ruth and I are still going out in our minivan and with our kids and. I always say we sort of cheated the system by by by having kids and wearing them on our back on stage and making them the the feature of the music video like real life. Yeah, so but maybe let's transition here ben to to what you're doing now which is ah essentially.

10:59.27
bhardyx
Hair hair.

11:14.13
mike merenda
Energy work and healing. Yeah, right now I'm getting I'm really getting fascinated with you know, just frequency healing. Um, at right now. It's becoming huge for me I don't even know where to begin um, was that born of your understanding of music and frequency is that. Plant at the seed. Um I've come to think of myself. Not even as a musician anymore. Yeah I'm I'm just an energy worker. Yeah, you know in in all different ways. Um, it's such a long story. Um, when I was in england um, you know. Starting to really play music for real and really good bands. Um I had ah ah a childhood. Ah I got a lot of colds as a kid and ear nose throat stuff. You know all probably from the vaccination. Sure yeah and life. Well I guess when you were a kid you're saying but it's like we've spoken about how the life of the musician is not one that's welluited to having robust yeah welladjuted actually the last few years yes but yeah, continue. So um, you know ear nose and throat stuff really bad. um you know um I went out to hate ashbury in that summer and in the autumn actually had a great time but I didn't eat really well and did a lot of ah you know just I went ran into this.

12:41.00
mike merenda
Beautiful woman out there and basically that's all we did for you know? yeah till I came home and I arrived home with a very serious ear infection. I mean it was just like so bad they had to perforate my eardrums and pump it out and lots of antibiotics for years stuff to dry up your sinuses which is insane. Yeah. years and years of this you know so when I was in england I I went hitchhiking around europe and it recurred you know and I came back to London and everyone said all my friends said there's an amazing healer at this place called acacia house. Was Carl Francis a dominican man you should go see him so I went to see him I couldn't even hear it was just like pounding. You know I was really sick and I knew nothing you know yeah about health I was eating terribly so I went over to acacia house and this beautiful. Dominican man welcomes me in it was just this gorgeous place. They had a meditation room. They had a healing room. He took me in his healing room. He asked me what was going on I I said I can't mom so my ears are so messed up and I need antibiotics you know and he said just ah, come in have a seat and. We went into this room and it was the most peaceful place I've ever I had ever seen in my life. It was just this beautiful energy and pictures of of mother mary and indian saints and angels and I mean it's just like where am I is this in New Jersey where where she was in London.

14:14.16
mike merenda
Is in London yeah, okay, um, and I just thought I've never seen or felt anything like this and he said okay and he put his hands on hand on the bottom of my spine and it felt like a volcano went up my back and out the top of my head. Then he just rubbed my face for a couple of minutes he said I should do it and I was like I couldn't even speak I was just like in bliss he said look just take your time when you're ready come on out. We'll we'll talk and I was. Ah, sitting there what the heck just happened this is like beyond anything anyone ever told me is possible. So I finally gathered myself and I went out I said I don't know what you did but I've never felt like this. He said great I said what do I owe you said oh nothing, you know, just next time you come. A meditation or something bring your guitar and you know he walked me to the door. It was beautiful. Sunny April day there were daffodils up and down the walk I walked out all the way to the gate closed the gate turned around he was still looking at me just waved you know and I got up to the high street. And I started walking I realized I was completely healthy. There was nothing wrong. So I I just said okay when I get the rock and roll out of my system. This is what I'm going to do I was 21.

15:38.20
bhardyx
Wow looking back. Do you do you have any idea what he did all energy and frequency did he have any instruments or you tend like just using his hands.

15:47.95
mike merenda
Um, yeah, it was all energy. It was all frequency.

15:56.39
bhardyx
Like a Reiki type modality on standards. Yeah, okay is he is he still around. Okay, okay.

15:56.59
mike merenda
On steroids. Yeah I mean you know there are some gifted healers I mean you know some of the you know holy people can do this, you know and he was one of them I don't think so I don't know acacia house I just found it on. Google maps it's it's an Acton park in London ah, a beautiful building I think it's a private home now. Yeah 21.

16:17.35
bhardyx
Um, so you were 20 so 2021 and did that cure as it were persist so that was a permanent fix. Okay.

16:28.93
mike merenda
Yeah, yeah, not permanent. It happened 1 more time um around 4001 and I idiotically got on a plane to italy at the height of it which was a disaster. And I actually that's the last time I took antibiotics I had to take them again and then it hasn't recurred since.

16:53.90
bhardyx
Okay, okay, so that was the seed that was planted at the age of 21 while you were just getting into the rock star thing. Yeah yeah, um, and so when you you said to yourself when this rock and roll thing is out of my system.

16:55.26
mike merenda
Yes, I was well I was just in my first really good bands. Yeah in London yeah.

17:09.94
bhardyx
I'm going to transition and do this energy work So when did that transition when did you start to go. Okay I'm going to have one foot here and then one foot there.

17:17.16
mike merenda
It was very. It was a very distinct moment. Um I was living in Hoboken. Yeah with with Richard Barone from the bongos. You know we and we were I would say we had reached this certain pinnacle and we were um, kind of.

17:33.36
mike merenda
Are we going to go to the next level or are we not and everybody was really tired of touring and um and so we we were going to make another album but we were kind of like at the top of the roller coaster and we were about to become like a civilization in Decline. Um. So We're all like casting about for different things to do and I was actually writing a letter to a friend of mine and I literally saw the words come out of the pen I'm thinking of studying massage and I went Oh Okay I didn't know that.

18:05.60
bhardyx
Mm.

18:10.44
mike merenda
You know and then 5 minutes later an ex-girlfriend of mine called me up. She said I thought of you so much today I went to this place in the city called the Swedish Institute it's a massage school and it just reminded me of you and your hands and was like that was within 5 minutes so I went there the next day and three weeks later I was enrolled and the funny thing is my first day of class I arrived and my friend Mos Sloton who had done sound for talking heads and b 52 s who we had toured with was coming out ah coming out of the place and I was going in and we both said what are you doing here. And he said I just graduated and I said I'm just starting so that was the beginning that was um, 1988 yeah, it was it was swedish massage. She ought to medical massage. Um.

18:58.93
bhardyx
Um, what? Um, what style of massage were you? Okay, yeah.

19:07.10
mike merenda
Everything was back when it was just one year and I was already in school I was going to Empire State College because I finally wanted to study I designed a ah curriculum called studies in western thought and culture and people asked me why and I said I would just want to know. Every angle of how western civilization developed so I can find out how it got to be so wrong. Um, and in the middle of that I announced my father was paying for it I announced that I wanted to go to massage Schoolwe we said great. Just go here's the checkbook here's the you know well get the best table. Yeah.

19:44.37
mike merenda
And I was living in Hoboken. So I graduated a year later and I had an instant practice just one Square mile with you know, a lot of people and I I was instantly and 1 of the few male massage people in Hoboken. So yeah.

19:44.48
bhardyx
Um.

19:57.46
bhardyx
So let's let's go back real quick to that that college education and did did you did you conclude where Western civilization cut it wrong.

20:09.69
mike merenda
Not at that time. No I just I wasn't quite sure how it got to be so so backwards you know Wow Gosh That's a whole day isn't it. Um.

20:13.58
bhardyx
Are you more sure now. It is.

20:25.39
mike merenda
Ah, we just really took a wrong turn towards materialism you know I like to say ah descartes got it wrong. We actually I mean ah we we got descartes before the horse. Basically there's a t-shirt. Yeah.

20:30.57
bhardyx
Um.

20:40.49
bhardyx
Ah, yeah, let's yeah, let's all right? We can leave it at that and you can weave in.

20:44.40
mike merenda
Yeah, and and then you know there's all sorts of influence pernicious influences earthly and unearthly I Guess Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

20:53.99
bhardyx
Yeah, well, that's a lot to unpack right there. So okay, so you you start your practice. You've got clients right there which is amazing. Um, that must have felt really good and then did you begin to build off of.

21:02.37
mike merenda
It was.

21:09.00
bhardyx
The massage education that you'd received.

21:11.23
mike merenda
Yeah, over the years I've just studied every modality that interested me I've immersed myself in it I've experienced it and kind of added little pieces here and there um well I received a lot of acupuncture. Ah.

21:21.48
bhardyx
Um, what were some of the next ones. Okay.

21:27.69
mike merenda
From my shiatsu teacher and I studied something called Traeger which is this system of rocking the body. Um, and what happens is with the rocking the nervous system kind of finally just gives up and relaxes so you can loosen ligaments and muscles that are on The. Maybe the other side of your spine that you can't reach with your hands. Um, yeah, there was that and Geez So many things. Um.

22:01.60
mike merenda
To to move forward. It really began to accelerate much more dramatically when I moved up here. Um, yeah, yeah, hoboken you know it started out when when we moved there. It was like it was the 1950 s

22:07.96
bhardyx
To the Hudson Valley

22:18.50
mike merenda
You know it closed up at Nine o'clock at night there was nothing going on. You could get a railroad 5 room railroad flat for eighty bucks a month. You know it's kind of like Soho was before that in the village before that and it became um, very gentrified, very fast and you know there were landlords burning. Down hole buildings and people dying. It was the greed the level of greed was and then it just started condo after condo after condo and Maxwell's which was one of the greatest clubs ever. You know? um. It got to where you couldn't park. You could no one could come to town because it was no place to park and then it got ah a reputation as a party destination. So every weekend people would come from Brooklyn queens Bronx New Jersey Staten Island Connecticut to party. Thousand people a night every weekend night would flood into town and it was like insane and I just had to get out of there and a friend said I live up in this place called high falls why don't you come up and look around and.

23:19.46
bhardyx
Her.

23:28.27
mike merenda
Said what is that she said what's the cat skills I said what is that like the pocon os or something you know, but I came up here was like oh my god and that's when everything really started to open up that was um, 1991

23:35.91
bhardyx
And what year was that for you? yeah. So you take your practice this massage and like budding energy work practice and and essentially open it Up. Do the same thing up in the huamli you did Oh okay.

23:50.66
mike merenda
Actually I was I maintained the practice and commuted you know up here started as a weekend place and a three day weekend placed in a four day weekend and ultimately I got to one day in Hoboken every two weeks. Finally I just said you know what? just gonna.

24:03.70
bhardyx
Okay.

24:08.48
mike merenda
And I opened my practice up here in 96 yeah steadily since since then yeah I don't have a name for it. It's just it's I don't have a website. It's just me, you know people. Um it.

24:08.89
bhardyx
96 ok and that's been going now through to this day. What's the name of your practice.

24:23.38
bhardyx
How very how very yeah Anti-western civilization of you. That's great and so what? Um, what mobile modalities do you offer now in your practice.

24:26.93
mike merenda
Yeah, it's all word of mouth. You know? Um, yeah.

24:35.31
mike merenda
Um, I mean I studied reiki way back I studied matrix energetics um something called reconnective healing from Eric Pearl which is basically just at hand energy channeling through I think it's. Probably galactic in origin. Um Eric himself looks like an et from the pleties or something. Um I studied sports massage. Um it it all combines now I I don't I don't even know what I do anymore except that the hands.

25:07.87
bhardyx
Oh.

25:11.90
mike merenda
Are really vibrating like never before um I have a client over the past year who's connected with some pretty amazing healers in England diana cooper tim wild with an h magenta pixie. All these people their their channels and their psychics and their healers and she's kind of like their Hudson Valley component um and they've been working with me to open up the energies coming through me I've been working on this woman here because. That's what's best for her but they've been working on me too at the same time. So right now I don't know what I'm doing anymore. But it's just really, um, blissful.

25:55.14
bhardyx
Rob can can you talk can you talk a little bit about what that process looks like them working with you to open up your energies and.

26:03.21
mike merenda
It was all at a distance. It was all remote I don't even know what they do. She just informs me that they've been working with me so it's not like a scheduled Zoom or anything like that thing. Yeah, you're not even cognizant of when it's happening. No no.

26:21.28
bhardyx
Do you do you feel a difference.

26:23.18
mike merenda
And they've been working with my house and the energies in my house. Yeah I do like I said my my work now is I mean everybody all my clients are saying you know this is really getting stronger. You know, whatever, whatever it is. You're doing. Um, yeah, it feels like it's It's reached a new level just in the last year and it's just a blend of everything I've ever done and it's more intuitive now and so I'm getting very interested in Frequency Medicine. Um.

26:58.80
mike merenda
I't if you've ever seen Greg Braden had a clip's I think it's still on Youtube of this chinese hospital where they've got a woman with a big tumor and her bladder you ever see this and these chinese energy healers are in the room with her and she's on a sonogram.

27:09.80
bhardyx
So.

27:18.23
mike merenda
Sorry you can see the tumor. You can see her bladder and these chinese 3 guys are in the room with her and they're doing this energy work silently and you can see in real time that the tumor shrinks it within minutes and it's gone and at the end they go wassa wasa wasa. Which means it's or it's done. It's already done and this guy guy obolensky who who was working with the tesla stuff down in tuxedo New York um huciia befriended that technology was amazing that that.

27:40.96
bhardyx
What? what.

27:55.98
mike merenda
Ionic wind generator cilia's sister Beebe had her bunny rabbit ah Sandra was having recurrent tumors in her mouth so they brought Sandra to the ionic wind generator and she was scheduled for surgery because the tumor had come back again and. And a half hour in the tumor was gone and there was just a flap of you know of some extra skin where it had been and it never came back and I didn't know beebe or celia then but that corroborated my experience that. I mean anything can be transformed is is what it seems like to me anything. It's not always It's all energy and frequency and it's it's not always easy to do or to allow to happen like I have I haven't one written.

28:38.10
bhardyx
Well, it's all if it if you're talking right? yeah.

28:51.68
mike merenda
Remaining issue that I'm working with you know? Ah, which is kind of a sinus post-nasal drip thing I think it's the residue of my earliest complaint. Yeah and I actually want to I'm using a Manda Vomer's technique combined with andreas cker's chlorine dioxide I'm kind of combining the 2 and I actually I would like to talk to Amanda about have a little consultation about just how to tweak this. Do you mean the dmso. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

29:28.72
bhardyx
That's remarkable as as an energy worker I want to I want to learn a little bit more about the Chinese energy workers. Can you hear me oh this. So it yeah a quick quick pause.

29:33.89
mike merenda
Yeah I'd like to go outside for one second. Yeah yeah I And so I'll stoke the fire while you do that time out.

29:42.53
bhardyx
Um, okay, Rob what I'd love to know is as the energy practitioner I mean I guess we can start with those chinese energy workers in that video I mean is what they're doing all internal like all sort of like mental and and addressing. Energy through the patient or are they using their hands like how does 1 channel this begin to channel this? Okay, okay.

30:04.59
mike merenda
It looked like they were just standing there I mean Eric Pearl with reconnective healing. He said 1 of his practitioners was quadriplegic and all he did was sit there. Yeah, and.

30:18.75
bhardyx
Just presence in the room. Yeah.

30:23.47
mike merenda
Also there were there were a lot of um instances of people reading his book which is excuse me called the reconnection and some people just reading the book were suddenly able to to I don't know emanate or I think of it as ah sharing.

30:42.36
mike merenda
Ah, frequency reson resonate resonance? Yeah, um, yeah, um, it's a field you know, um, right now and I'm working with some people in the holistic health community. We're doing this um power of 8 um, it's. 8 people just sending or whatever intentions to someone who wishes to receive them. Yeah, um I don't know it's it's a book. Ah, ah.

31:06.77
bhardyx
Okay, y 8

31:18.92
mike merenda
The woman who wrote the field I can't think of her name at the moment you'd know her if I if I mentioned her it's it's her newest book is called the power of 8 and it's about sometimes there's 9 of us you know, but she likes at least 8 I guess to to make the field strong.

31:37.52
bhardyx
And and so the 8 of you are in the same room or okay, you're in the same room.

31:41.63
mike merenda
Yeah, yeah, we we get together and we actually make a circle hold hands and then someone will read for someone who's not there or if someone's in the room their intention and we will all internalize that intention in our head. And then bring it down to our hearts and then just let it emanate. The person can be far away. This is one of the blessings of um, this ridiculous thing that's been happening the past few years because the holistic health community. We couldn't meet you know.

32:03.92
bhardyx
Okay.

32:20.60
mike merenda
And the marbletown Community Center had all these protocols so we decided to offer virtual sessions and that became for me that was a revelation because I realized I could do this without the person being there.

32:28.42
bhardyx
Who.

32:39.75
mike merenda
And done dozens and dozens and dozens now and and actually collected feedback I have pages of people's experiences and I think it might actually be more so more effective remotely quote unquote because and I've learned profoundly that there is no such thing as distance. There just isn't that's what prayer is I mean it's just everything's connected all the time. It's closer than we think? Yeah and the matrix is just blocking it. Yeah, you know the simulation that we all live in has got all this components that deny that and for control and. Dominance. And yeah I mean I'm so excited about what's emerging now you know with healing and I think also there's more good. Great music now than there's ever been and I'm just delighted. You know this whole. Resonance and frequency medicine and I think there's so much emerging and in the healing world that it's incredible and energy and all the stuff that is real and you know people have known about forever I mean bio geometry that's emerging now that's ancient Egyptian shape. A science of shape the ability of shape to do healing I mean it can it can mitigate emfs and it's just remarkable stuff. Yeah, would you tell us a little bit about the light field because okay, just a little background folks I only met Rob in september.

34:14.52
mike merenda
Right? I think it was September tenth because we were both playing at festival in a field. Yeah, sort of a health freedom celebration up in Columbia County with at four thirty two tuning both tune 4 32 we had something in common right away and we've become fast friends as as folks tend to do.

34:24.25
bhardyx
Hey.

34:33.20
mike merenda
In this ah health freedom space. We flung out I don't know half a dozen times. Um, you're a very modest person I mean even the first night I met you I had no idea that you were in the healing arts. You were just a cool guy who played the base and had like a sort of ah a rock and roll background that I was fascinated by um. And it wasn't for a few more weeks that I realized like oh wait this is not only are you a healer but this is your livelihood I had no idea. Um, and so when we were maybe banding back and forth some emails just trying to like get to know each other and pick each other's brains about our favorite modalities. At the top of your list was visiting this place called the light field in Chester mass which resonated with me so pun intended ah because that's where my brother lives and it's you know it's right on main street in Chester Massachusetts and ah was when I brought it up to my brother and sister-in-law. They had some funny things to share about that place as well. But let me let me hear about it from you I've always wondered what the people who live in that town think of it. Yeah well because as you know I've I've not been but it's right on main street. Yeah, and that's exactly what my sister-in-law said it's like people do not know what to make of it and. It just sort of it's Chester is one of these towns that is hardly a and I shouldn't say it's hardly a town but it's as small as a town can get It's a berkshire mountain rural small town community I don't it's one of those towns that maybe doesn't even have a traffic late you know, just very very small town. So that's.

36:05.31
mike merenda
Ah, place that you visit on the regular and and it's tied into this bio geometry. Yeah tangentially. Um, whoo boy the light field. Ah, it's it's a major component that's where I've been working with the reverse aging with intention. Um, I you know I have ah a chronological age and a biological age you know which I get verified through Akashi ah the light field I don't know if you know ah you know there's a stream going through chester. Okay, and that stream points right? at the building. Okay. And when it gets to the building. It turns. So it's got this water energy coming into it. Um, if you want to look ah look it up. Whoever is listeninglightfieldfoundation.org. Um, basically it's a quantum. Healing technology developed by a man named Mark Newkirk um he was with some women who are channeling some very interesting information and he has he. He's no longer with us he he was working on. Um. Technology to ameliorate five g and he had a unfortunate accident. Yeah yeah, um, he was one of the most positive warm brilliant people I've ever known. Always.

37:39.50
mike merenda
Delighted and excited and he was always talking about the quality of the sunlight every time it changed. You know he kept saying it's getting brighter. It's getting whiter. There's more information coming from the galactic core than ever before the it's ah unstoppable. You know that's why they're so desperate spraying those to try to stop the shit in front of the sun every day now. Yeah yeah, it's still not going to work. No. Yeah anyway, Mark devised the light field. Um, you can see pictures of it on the website. It's. About ten feet long and six feet high and it's interlocking geometrical shapes made of wood but with all sorts of interesting technologies. There's a big lapis ball that spins with a copper thing on it and um. What it does it. Mark was very steeped in russian quantum physics they channeled um a body of music that is perfectly harmonious. There's nothing out of harmony on it. A lot of it is what you call new age. Um. Pinnacle of it for me is this ah composer from New Zealand called Andrew Forrest his music I think is from other star systems. That's what he there's a few of his that I that happened to be the first music I ever heard in the light field.

39:08.00
mike merenda
They project the music in but what the what the technology does is it strips the information out of the music and projects it and creates a coherent field and when you get in the machine and they close it up. You lay on it like on a little bed. They close it up. They turn it on. The music they could have intuit the right music for you and you're in this coherent field. So anything that's in your energy field that isn't coherent doesn't want to be in there whether it's emotional or spiritual or physical and it's quite a. And amazing experience. Our friend Larry who so as of this morning has been sleeping for three days straight he's going through some sort of upgrade just water and sleep. He's seen parallel to you doing a water fast and not intentionally. Interesting. He's just that. That's how it's manifesting. Um he and I both been at least a hundred times through the light field. Yeah, um, and that's hugely life-ch changing and life-affirming. Um, so when you're in there. Ah you you maybe can set an intention or. And you go into ah an altered state I don't know if it's in the body I don't know where you go um, it might be other galaxies who knows um and you come out and the the energy field in the building is incredible because they also have a machine called grace.

40:42.58
mike merenda
Light field according to Mark Newkirk works on the first 8 dimensions and Grace works all on all 12 and you stand in this unit grace and there's some sort of technology under you on a green on a glass plate projecting green light onto you and then there's this copper. Thing over you with these designs on it and you stand there. But you're like waving like a palm tree in ah in a breeze you know and it it. It basically reconnects you to your original blueprint the hhc the holistic health community. You know we I have a virtual health care week the last week of every month the light field offers sessions through the hhc for anyone who doesn't want to travel up there. They take a picture and your name and put it in the unit and they give you a full session. Wow.

41:36.80
bhardyx
Are there are there other machines like this that are out there. Okay.

41:42.97
mike merenda
Oh yeah, there's all sorts of stuff coming now. Um, yeah, ah, Mark's son Ross new kirk and his wife have a healing center in Rhode Island sure can't think of the name of right now. Um. But he's developing all sorts of New Technologies there's something called the core Harmonizer which is present at all Holistic Health Care Health Health Care Days it emits a harmonizing field. He has ah. Something like a med bed that you get on sometimes they're all at the light field. We go up for and have a party all day and do all these technologies. Um, but there's all sorts of stuff. My friend Mark Reynolds out in San Francisco is developing a thing with sound. Um. With speakers in the table and yeah, there's a way to determine the frequency of every system in your body and any system that needs help can be the right frequency I mean down to hundreds of Hertz like really specific. Can be projected into you along with light and color. There's friends I have in the Hudson Valley right now who are working on combining all that would you call this ancient tech that we're sort of part of the great remembering. Absolutely yeah bio geometry is ancient egyptian.

43:10.63
mike merenda
I feel like people have this knee-jerk reaction when they hear well I went and you know visited this technology and I'm I'm even ones like oh this newfangled technology. But this is not something that's like Apple is rolling out in this like there's this pretense that we're chronologically advancing from cavemen to. To to keep it simply but like there's I think as a lot of people are are unearthing. There's just a lot of technology that we're rediscovering. Yeah um I guess we'll keep calling it technology but I think the point I'm trying to make is that this has been around for an awful long time and um.

43:48.74
mike merenda
Suppressed for lack of a better word. Yeah I mean Mark Newkirk calls all these technologies training Wheels Hu you know he said if if you get your frequency to a certain point. You know you're bulletproof to emfs and a lot of toxins and yeah, they just you know? Yeah don't stay with you I mean. Shamanism. There's no technology right? Yeah I mean I I spent time with um weachel shamans a dear friend of mine who also is no longer with us had a stroke last year and is gone. Um. He was recognized by the weill shamans in Mexico he had been an herbalist and an acupuncturist and he was called and he went to Mexico and he became um a shaman under their tutelage and eventually a teaching shaman a very advanced shaman and.

44:45.15
mike merenda
He started something called plant spirit medicine which also is ancient that indigenous people here worked with 250 plant spirits for healing without any technology. Yeah, and so he developed plant spirit medicine which. Which based is based on the acupuncture pulse reading tied in with the plant spirits where the spirits agree to help you heal a particular thing one of the most profound healings I ever had was with him with plant spirit medicine I had thrown my back out. So badly. We had a we were in a band of shamans that played for something called a sacred fire community all around the country we play all over the country and in England and Mexico and for these gatherings of the sacred fire community and at one of the gatherings I had. Tweaked my back moving an air conditioner in and out of my healing room in Hoboken by myself in the morning and the evening and by the time I get home. It took me a half hour to get out of my car. You know one of those yeah and so we were we were supposed to play at this thing and I couldn't even hold a base. Yeah so Elliot. Took me in his tepee and Eliot Cowen Plant spirit medicine great book um and he did some shamanism um and it didn't really help so he said okay, we're going to do plant spirit medicine the next day and he took the pulses and.

46:22.65
mike merenda
Actually during the Plandemic. He developed a method of doing plant spirit medicine without touching you know, just you know so a lot of stuff got boosted during this in a different way. Um, he did the plant Spirit Medicine. I Managed to get into bed suddenly I I felt the energy of what seemed like a very starchy German Nurse preparing the sheets. Okay get in get in time to go to sleep you know and I got into bed and then I I felt a native american.

46:50.16
bhardyx
Um.

46:58.48
mike merenda
Beautiful feminine native american spirit with feathers and it turned into a nest and I fell asleep and I woke up the next day and it was like 90% better and these plants weren't necessarily present even though really summoning. Their spirit. The spirits. The spirits are present all the time. Yeah, yeah, so he just connects you just he's like the switchboard up calls to them. Yeah yeah, and and another time I was down in Mexico with Elliot and his teacher Don Jose in this wheatill gathering and.

47:35.25
mike merenda
They like tobacco. Um the the shamans like Tobacco a little to my taste too much so that the American shamanic students who actually from around the world have a habit of smoking cigars and.

47:52.78
mike merenda
In these little sacred buildings. A lot of smoke can build up and I got sick I got a cold and it was I was I was really not in good shape. Um, so they brought me to Don Jose and he does feathers and he's doing a healing on me and he puts his actual lips on you and. Suck stuff out of you and he was sucking these multicolored I've I've watched this many times with the weitel shamans they suck these things out of you and they're these multicolored stones that come out of your body. They're like congealed. Toxins are negative energies and it comes out in the form of a physical object. Really yeah I've seen them physically. Yeah where I held them where do they come out anywhere where they pull them out or suck them out through the skin or yeah, they just emerge out of you Jesus yeah, and then they throw him into fire. They do this thing and I mean it's just um and that there's no technology involved. Yeah and shamanism is the oldest thing on the planet really? So I think through technology we're doing this loop around right to where everybody can just do this stuff because it's everywhere all the time. Just like the divine is everywhere all the time. Yeah yeah, I mean I'm reminded of Amanda Volmer mentioned in that conversation. How she had the opportunity just to to meet a shaman. Maybe she was in India or a guru a guru I love that story and right.

49:23.92
bhardyx
Here's a is a guru. Yeah.

49:28.42
mike merenda
And it was sort of unremarkable and then they exchanged pleasantries and small talk. So tell me about where do you live? Yeah when it was completely lost on her that she's not doing healing for me right? but just being in the presence of that resonance that is the great remembering. Yeah absolutely amazing.

49:45.30
bhardyx
Yeah I think that's the boo. It's the disconnection from the divine disconnection from the source the disconnection from what covell says calls the infinite healing light within every one of us and it starts to sound Cliche to even you know mention these things but.

49:57.37
mike merenda
Yeah, or.

50:04.70
bhardyx
I Think it's actually probably the the very heart of everything.

50:05.53
mike merenda
Absolutely and it's the heart of what they're they are trying to prevent obscure to obscure and yeah derail. And yeah, this is the most exciting time ever incredible and that's coming you've you've been in this field again. Fun intended. Ah, for decades. Yeah, and you're sensing that now there's this acceleration. Absolutely amazing undeniable I'm I've never been this excited amazing to be around. You know I feel like I've been waiting for this I thought this was happening. In the summer of love right in 67 and then 68 they really slammed the gate down you know Jerry Garcia used to say yeah the the window opened there. Everybody went wow and then they came and slammed it back down really hard. You know with the assassinations and yeah, all that stuff and the wars and.

50:41.93
bhardyx
Ah.

50:56.59
bhardyx
Which I suppose means that we all, you know as we explore these ancient modalities and reconnect try to reconnect and reawaken. We should all probably be on guard that the same thing will happen or we attempted.

50:57.85
mike merenda
Yeah.

51:09.52
mike merenda
Um, yeah.

51:16.50
bhardyx
Ah, on all of us.

51:18.22
mike merenda
Yeah, I'm convinced you know from you know, a lot of people ah teachers of mine that the the jig is up for the dark side. It's just it's just they're so desperate and it's impossible to.

51:26.60
bhardyx
M.

51:33.79
mike merenda
To withstand the light that's coming in. It's just not. It's not possible. Yeah yeah.

51:36.24
bhardyx
Um.

51:40.79
bhardyx
I'd like to believe that as well. It's ah it's a note of optimism.

51:41.90
mike merenda
And and it's in the music too. I mean music is is so healing you know I mean in the sixty s music was the carrier wave for the expansion of consciousness that was starting now. It's just part of it. You know it's not particularly leading the charge. It's just celebrating interesting. I think anyway you know Dave Davies from the kinks in his book. He talked about how he kind of had a breakdown I guess and he started to see a lot of energies and stuff that he had no idea what it was and he became aware that music can. Carry healing energy. You know he could he actually saw it and he could see it people interacting I mean you know it so well. What it does you know? and and you know from from you guys having a band it just it really is powerful. Healing stuff. Yeah, it's like nothing else. It really is and so ephemeral. You know it's. Can't put light. We can try and make records and live streams but you can't put lightning in a bottle when it comes to music. There's something very tangibly different when you're in the room with it connecting with an audience absolutely singing along and this might be too big a tangent to circle back to. But i've. Think you've mentioned it before and it just came up. Um the Jfk assassination I feel like you said was a major revelation or turning point for you that was when I realized there was a lot more going on behind the scenes that was not good. It was clear completely clear to me what was going on. Yeah, even though it was a.

53:18.40
mike merenda
Ah, kid yeah, how old are you though I was in ninth grade. Yeah, it made it instantly look like this is set up. This is a hit this is you know? Yeah I didn't know what what that was, but it just seemed obvious that this was there's more to the story a dark operation to get rid of.

53:20.80
bhardyx
What was made clear to you.

53:37.91
mike merenda
You know somebody that was in the way of the dark agenda I mean it just it was crystal clear to me and interestingly interesting Richard Baron and the bongos same thing you know we I so I did a lot of I had a ph d in that stuff. You know all those those 3 4 main assassinations.

53:38.88
bhardyx
Well there.

53:57.36
mike merenda
Mark Criman Miller is working on a book a movie for who tried you know about that right? No that sounds jk r f k m l k and Malcolm and it's it's it's coming out soon. Um, yeah, but that just was like ok come on you know and then Bobby Kennedy you

54:17.10
mike merenda
And Mark Mlk I mean you've seen the book. Ah what is it called? Um, it's the it's the book about the Mlk assassination by a british barrister who actually did a court case. Not real one but you know and. King family was satisfied with the story. You know who exactly was involved and how it all worked I mean Bobby Kennedy knows everything about his uncle and his fathers. Yeah I mean he just he knows everything? Yeah yeah, I'm reminded. There was a great interview with Russell Brand and Marianne Williamson listened to year ago a year and a half ago and she made this point because this came up in our conversation already too. You know you have to sort of when you're in this space. You got to be on guard to some degree. But um, it's easy to take out the head of a movement. Leaders. But if there's just more and more and more and more and more of us a chorus as opposed to a lead singer was the analogy she used and in this moment it's it's reminding me and um, encouraging this message of more and more people being true. Speaking truth being themselves I'm certainly guilty of not being as true to where my heart is at publicly as I might be because there's a lot at stake and there are four who tried you said these people.

55:50.43
mike merenda
Gave their lives. Yeah for let's call it truth right? and so it's much harder to cut off the head when there's when we're a chorus. Yeah yeah, like like China right now. Yeah chorus is getting very loud. Yeah yeah.

56:06.80
bhardyx
Probably what do you? What do you think will happen in China as you observe that.

56:08.20
mike merenda
I liked it I have no idea this is one thing I'm becoming more and more comfortable with this I don't know anything I just I have no idea and it's okay, it is okay, that's sort of my go-to I have more more questions than answers. Um, it'd be great to see you know the people Prevail I mean that would be legendary and it would fit perfectly with the spirit of the times I think you know astrologically this time has been noted for Millennia as a turning point.

56:45.22
bhardyx
Um.

56:45.27
mike merenda
That's why the Mayan calendar stopped now is because they had no idea what was coming next I do like this I are they called? Ah yeah I'm this I'm not a student I guess I should say I'm ah I'm a young student in a lot of these conversation threads but the calaouga like these long cycles.

56:47.64
bhardyx
Who.

57:05.73
mike merenda
Epics Epochs of time. Um, that are so long and vast that we haven't built the ah the muscle memory to learn how to even contextualize them. Yeah I think there's really something to that. Absolutely yeah I agree yeah and and you know some people. Say that we're you know the the our milky way does these we do these revolutions called revs and um, some people. Ah I track say that the Earth is now entering a quadrant of space that it's been in. Many times before but never with humans on it and 1 of its characteristics is is greatly ah uplifted Gamma Ray All these um Cosmic Rays that are ah have the effect of racing consciousness. Yeah yeah.

58:02.10
mike merenda
So That must be part of what because you've said you're feeling this acceleration just in the last couple years so you as someone who's trained to sit with these frequencies. You must feel that I mean it's evident. You already said it's evident with the people you're working on. They feel. Yeah and I feel it in myself too. Yeah. And maybe closing in on the final frontier with my one physical complaint you know? Yeah yeah because I I have no aches I have I have no aches or pains anywhere. You know? Yeah, It's just.

58:30.19
bhardyx
Um, well let's let's talk about the no aches and pains and specifically your reverse aging that you're you're focused on right now. Can you talk a little bit about that.

58:42.23
mike merenda
Ah, it's just ah I've accumulated ways of living and nutrients and ah healing I mean it's it all ties together. But I think it really got. Going strongly with the light field with my intentions in my light fields to ah to just do that to get younger. Ah, physically the way I understand it I work with ah. There's ah, a woman locally named June Broughtt like brought b rou gs t her website is akasshhi June she's a profound akashic records reader and I work with her a lot and I actually talk to people who are no longer here through her. Parents friends bandmates. Ah but I check in with her about the level at which my cells are regenerating and ah just to corroborate the work I'm doing I was doing with the light field I'm not doing it that much anymore. It. It seems like it's well underway but what we came to is ah I'm so I'm 73 by a lot chronologically I'll be 74 in April my cells are reproducing at.

01:00:10.17
mike merenda
As they were when I was 35 so what was suggested that is that you average that so I'm I'm ah biologically 53 um which is fascinating to me. It's just this is my hobby I just love doing this stuff.

01:00:29.97
mike merenda
And I actually had ah I sent my some Dna to a lab in California that measures your telomeres which are these little threadlike things on the end of the Dna strands that communicate and as you age they they shrink and they measured mine and it. Worked out to 53 you know? Ah, ah, my mine were longer than ah I think was 80% of people my age something like that you know so I'm kind of tracking it all and it's just fun. It's just fun to really eat well and yeah, you know. I'm not as brave as you are with the getting in the ice water yet you know or Celia you know as Ben says it's like which of these modalities speak to you exactly right? Um I just finished this two day water fast right? Ben did one a couple weeks ago he finished ah what ended up being an eight day water fast and I was feeling maybe some amount of peer pressure to get on board. Um, but also you know counter that with it is fun and I do get excited about trying reaching for that next wrong or figuring out the challenge. Um, but. Was saying to Ben actually just before you arrived before we started recording was that I feel like a lot of these like cold plunges or a water fast. They put you intentionally in a place of discomfort. Yeah, and as a culture we are very adverse to discomfort.

01:02:03.66
mike merenda
I mean if you can nail down what is indicative of modern western culture I don't even know if it's limited to western at this point just the pervasive culture. Um, and as Daniel Quinn would remind us not synonymous with humanity but the pervasive culture we do not like discomfort. Yeah. In fact, we will do anything to distract and what what I what came up for me during this water fast was it's uncomfortable not to I actually never really felt quote unquote hungry like as a musician you're on a 5 hour drive and you had a couple. Shitty fake eggs in a hotel. We would never do this anymore. But you know back in the day. Ah, um, and you haven't eaten all day and your stomach is rumbling and you're just like that feeling of hungry and that experience of being angry and that never actually came up once when I was water fasting but what did come up was a lot emotions like a lot of vulnerability that I realized I had spent 46 years of eating every day I've never done this before um, essentially pushing down emotions with food. Um, and so even though I just did a short one I did two days um for a few different reasons we can get into maybe at a different time. But um I was uncomfortable. It put myself intentionally in a place of discomfort. Um, but sitting here today I broke my fast last night I do feel evolved I feel.

01:03:38.91
mike merenda
Um, almost like when a weightlifter pushes weights they muscle builds. This is something like it's like something we can observe in the physical world but I was doing some sort of soul level cleanse of building a muscle so I would be further along this path on the other side of it which is now. And it's very very tangible and real. Absolutely So's you know in that I didn't feel like I could go in for a whole week for a but bunch of reasons but just putting my toes in the water so to Speak. Um I'm different because of it. Yeah, so which speaks to you and and you don't need to do a week every time or you don't need to even go to the light field. It's like. To the listeners. It's like just see what speaks to you? Yeah I mean this whole list. Ah I don't do all of it. You know it's just I kind of it just comes to me which where to go next you know? Yeah I'm actually I'm actually going to um you I'm feeling peer pressure.

01:04:37.41
mike merenda
Ah, water fast. Um I'm going to probably wait till I go to Costa Rica this winter because you know that's like being in heaven. Sure ah, but I'm very intrigued by it but and your podcast about water fasting totally intrigued me I've done one fast in my life in England as a twenty year old and I came off it. Very precipitously and it was not a good thing right? You know what well since you mentioned that but I do um, intermittent fasting every day I mean I yeah I usually don't eat for fifteen or sixteen hours and I I drink a lot of water right? Um I structured water. Um, yeah when you okay.

01:05:12.28
bhardyx
Um.

01:05:15.40
mike merenda
Let's move on structured water I was at your house once you also work out of your house. So I think that was interesting when you said that those people who were helping you with your resonance that it was affecting your house which is where you work and yeah, but your water setup I thought was really pretty cool in your kitchen. It's something that people could. Try it home. Can you explain that to us. Yeah, ah I I use ah an Eleven Salt blend from a company called dancing with water. It's 11 salts. So. It's a very thorough mineral combination and pure. Ah. Sodium butcarbonate no aluminum and I put it my well is I have well water. Ah we okay, okay, okay, ah my wall water is very sulfury. So I put it in ah in a gallon open mouth gallon jar in 12 hours it's all gone.

01:05:59.49
bhardyx
Yo yeah.

01:06:09.56
mike merenda
Ah, tests as pure as the cherrytown road water I've tested them both so I um I add in a dropper of concentrate sauce sale and concentrate that I make from this these 11 salts 2 droppers in there and a little. Eighth of a teaspoon of sodiumbocarate I do the vortex and then I take a five twenty Eight hertz tuning fork and also just send love into the water. So the word and just the energy and the sound of the tuning fork.

01:06:38.10
bhardyx
M.

01:06:45.26
mike merenda
And then I put it on a charging plate which has a copper torsian tourist gent tourist field generating torsion ring a lot of sacred geometric shapes and an actual diamond in the middle that is also available through living with water. There's many different ways. Larry has a whole nother. Yeah I mean if you looked at his water. There's crystals are I mean it's just like. And it's from a spring which is the best. Yeah um, is cherrytown road considered a spring. It is a spring Yeah yeah, that's ah, that's where I've been forging my water from that's where I went before I started my fast.

01:07:15.21
bhardyx
You know what? I love to imagine is after decades centuries of our species abusing water on this planet dirtying it taking it for granted taking her for granted I will I will call her a she as others do. That it. It warms my heart to imagine these people now in growing numbers across Earth giving water love like finally acknowledging water or remembering to acknowledge water or doing it again now after this break.

01:07:42.30
mike merenda
Yeah.

01:07:49.90
mike merenda
Yeah.

01:07:51.48
bhardyx
Obviously there are many peoples who have never stopped doing this but now we're we're doing it and I'd like to imagine water just going like ah thank you like welcome back you know I was waiting for you kind of thing and what you described? Yeah what you're describing Rob is this is an act of love.

01:07:59.60
mike merenda
He has it exactly yes, a reciprocal relationship? Yeah yeah, and there's so much we are water I mean it's the water in us too. You know I live by a stream. Um.

01:08:08.59
bhardyx
Is this act of love.

01:08:16.15
mike merenda
I'm so blessed that it's it's the it's the ground of my life really this this creek behind my house. Um, it's only 10 miles old and it's there's a swim hole. It's you know up to here that I walk to in a minute and I go there every day and gratitudes to the the creek. The land. The. Trees the sky the sun everything um that I can see and everything I can't see you know what's that creek called it has ah depending on which map you look at it's either the Medicons Creek or the Rochester Creek ok but

01:08:54.10
mike merenda
Is a really crazy story. Um, one of the weel shamans who I work with worked with a lot who in a nutshell he channels the god of fire which sounds crazy. So you can actually speak to fire just like you were talking about with water and it's he speaks to you. It's very fiery. It's an amazing phenomenon to to witness. Um and they're called grandfather fires because he's channeling. Who the weless cold grandfather fire and it's a general gathering around a fire people are playing drums and telling raunchy jokes and the spirits are high and suddenly this man David Wiley is his name. His website is called keeps the fire if anyone wants to look at it. Um, he falls into a trance and begins to shake and um, after a few minutes this different voice starts coming out of him and he smokes the. Longest biggest cigars nonstop drink scolding hot chocolate all night. He doesn't smoke or drink in real life and he dispenses wisdom and answers questions and at the end of the night if there's time everyone gets to go up and ask a personal question right with him you know and.

01:10:22.25
mike merenda
And offer a cigar and I asked him what's the name of my creek. What did the original people call it and he said I'm going to make David you know who he's in whose body. He's. Um, going to make him vine that for you in a dream and rather than tell you because he he he he told the original name of the creek at blue deer center out in Margaretville which is an amazing healing place. Um, and so. And then the next time I saw David he had a piece of paper he goes your creek is called and he had he had it written out and phonetically your creek is called new yuchna peak pa and I was like wow cool he he said it means deer standing by water. You know so I can for the first time in.

01:11:10.80
bhardyx
Ha.

01:11:16.46
mike merenda
I don't know how many years I can call that creek by. It's real name I'm so glad I asked. Yeah, it's like wow.

01:11:20.37
bhardyx
It's beautiful. So going going to your creek and and giving respect to the creek sounds like it would be part of your reverse aging plan. Can you what else? What other? what other things you have a long list there. You don't need to go through all of them. But I.

01:11:29.30
mike merenda
Um, yeah.

01:11:37.39
mike merenda
Good Lord um well ah the ionic wind generator of Olbolinsky's was was really powerful. Um, it's basically just thinking it. You know, just feeling it.

01:11:37.49
bhardyx
Wonder if maybe the ones that um leap out at you as most important.

01:11:45.38
bhardyx
So.

01:11:54.73
mike merenda
Living it and just trying to be in that frequency more than any of the specifics I think would you would you file that under meditation like like yeah, that's that's sort of a loaded word right? but just ah, presence presence mindfulness. Yeah, not not any. Not any particular technique. The enlightened game is really fun too. Um, this guy Orris Bedridge um the brilliant Ukrainian physicist who solved the obolensky's equation for him within a minute with his golden slide rule. Um people around him. Um, we he would have these gatherings at these ukrainian centers in the area here. Um called each one teach one e oto um, and they developed this enlightened game which is really simple and. If. Anyone's interested. You can find it on the website of a woman from eoto called Nancy Bragan I think it's Nancy Brain Dot Com but it's this really cool thing. They they talk about these perfections that are like these optimal states of being. You know you now if you want to read any of them. Sure let's we've got peace consciousness fearlessness generosity gratitude simplicity forgiveness purity perfection. Truth non-concern wisdom unity I feel like i.

01:13:28.41
mike merenda
Should stop but I just want to yeah, get going love will gentleness Joy Grace Equanimity understanding integrity perseverance freedom health kindness keeps going. Yeah, so so what it is is they developed this It's this figure 8 with 8 stations on it. And for 10 minutes a day you just pick one of them like um, gratitude and I'll just run through it because it's really easy. Um, first you state the perfection. So I'm just going to go through it. Ah gratitude.

01:14:05.97
mike merenda
Open my mind open my heart I love you thank you let the gratitude of the most high be my gratitude thy will be done. We are one. That's the request. That's you asking these things. This is the response. From your higher self I am gratitude. My one mind is open. My one heart is open I love you. Thank you? My gratitude is now your gratitude Rob my will be done. We are one. You just pick them and do tent tent.

01:14:40.30
bhardyx
M.

01:14:44.62
mike merenda
10 minutes a day and it's yeah I mean and they they calibrate the people who are doing this to check their their progress with their frequencies and physical. Yeah everything and and including and orris he was up. It's it's from one to a thousand. He was up in the eight hundreds you know and people like Jesus I mean they're like at a thousand right? So orist was way up there and so you can you can track I don't know if they're still doing this since or has died all these people are leaving but the enlightened game is. Think it's on Nancy's website and it's just so cool. It's 10 minutes a day and it's a nice cold weather sport when you're indoors. You know? yeah right? Yeah, um, yeah, then there was another huge one for me was ah this russian doctor. Ah, savly Yarkovsky who's down in chappaqua amazing man a warrior for health a total medical freedom advocate and he's most famous ah as a lyme doctor and cancer. Um.

01:16:01.31
mike merenda
It's it's funny how it happened I I had quote unquote lyme disease about twelve years ago I couldn't go outdoors in the summer I just it was too bright. I had no energy. You know it's just really were you on some medications. no no interesting yeah and through a synchronicity. A friend came a bunch of us raised money for a friend to come from Canada to to get treatments from yokovsky for her. She was very ill with lyme disease I like the way. Um.

01:16:36.82
mike merenda
Tom Callen Tom Cowan said to Celia Cecilia said what? what can I do about my lyme disease and he said stop using that word. Yeah I suggest you stop using the word. Yeah anyway, so my friend came and you know. We took her to a ah, very good biological dentist and he said to her I just want to tell you that lyme disease is the least of your worries and we took her to yourkovsky later the same day and he said the exact same sentence to his whole thing is you get the toxins out and your body.

01:17:01.32
bhardyx
So.

01:17:12.95
mike merenda
Can start doing what it does and a lot of that is metals and all that kind of stuff so his protocols are these really he makes his own homeopathics where you can eat mint. Theyre frequency medicines and I I worked with him for. Eighteen months I did 9 protocols some of the last two weeks you're supposed to stay away from emfs because he says mercury is is the prime factor in lyme disease mercury poisoning. Yeah and aluminum of course which is everywhere now.

01:17:44.50
bhardyx
So.

01:17:48.80
mike merenda
So I did the 9 protocols and I I felt great. You know and and some of the protocols are very difficult. You take these remedies and you can't even get your head off the pilly you feel like you're dying you know and your detoxing your detox. Yeah, he calls it dumping dumping mercuries and stuff anyway. Working with him was really powerful that was a big step along my path is he still with us. Oh yeah, he's down in Chappequa It's very pricey. Yeah, but he is amazing. He told me I was his poster boy for for detoxing. You know it's that whole thing of. It should be toxicology. Not virology. Sure no, it's just but yeah, you know? well it begs. The question is is it just an urban myth that you get lime from a tick or is it just yet another scapegoat like pass the buck blame it on something when it's really or it does it.

01:18:25.31
bhardyx
And.

01:18:44.80
mike merenda
Bigger a heightened need for a detox. Do you have any thoughts on that all of the above Yeah yeah, I don't know. Um, yeah that you know there's lab two thirty eight that whole thing you know with the origins of you know the bio weapon of lyme right? like there is with. Yeah mean who I don't know anything anymore right? except that frequency is really crucial that you'll go on the record saying yeah, that's I'll stand by that one and it's also you guys know like the resonance science foundation. No, it's asim harm mean. That name I've seen he's he's like the einstein of quantum physics and and and frequency where we're going and yeah, our friend Larry Brown is deeply immersed in that beautiful inspiring stuff. Yeah, all over the world people are tuning into this stuff. Biogeometry is amazing. I'll show you? Um, my my bio geometry pendulum which I use if I if it doesn't just come to me what I'm supposed to be doing next I use this this is um.

01:19:53.92
mike merenda
This emits the 3 frequencies of ah bio geometry the ancient Egyptian frequencies and it's all because of the shape of it. Yeah, this thing emits what? but but the in bio geometry they call B G three energy but it could also be just used as pendulum to get a yes or no or it could it be used to clear frequencies too. Clear detrimental Frequencies. You know I can go do this around a client who has an ache somewhere and it helps clear it. It scrambles the frequencies of the the field of negative detrimental stuff and allows new to come in I mean it's just. Every angle possible when you carry that around in your pocket. Yeah, in case I need it. Um.

01:20:36.94
bhardyx
Where where where can you get 1 of those.

01:20:47.59
mike merenda
It is a website if you if you look at biogeometry websites and look for um, the b g 3 emanating pendulum you'll find it. It's it's like seventy bucks but all these shapes are prominent in all egyptian sculpture and architecture right? And that's.

01:20:53.74
bhardyx
Okay.

01:21:04.63
mike merenda
Really old stuff. Yeah, you know? yeah.

01:21:07.33
bhardyx
Um, Rob as we talk about energy then energy and frequency. Um, we talk. We've talked a little bit. You've spoken a little bit about fortifying oneself against non-native emf. What are you know? Ah, how has your. Journey into energy and frequency raised your awareness around the the threats that we face from things like non-native emf and you know western civilizations technology that surrounds us.

01:21:36.20
mike merenda
Well, it's interesting because my opening and evolution has been parallel with the the rise of that stuff. Well last winter when we went to Costa Rica we spent the night at the airport hotel near Jfk and they were 5 g towers everywhere and I felt it it was fucked up.

01:21:42.35
bhardyx
M.

01:21:56.29
mike merenda
It felt like shit it felt lousy. Um, which I don't know maybe I might let my frequency down or something but ah yeah I don't know if. You know you you get torn between is this all accorded in it effort to hold everything down or is it just technology March greed going forward I don't know I don't know or some it's I think the word that keeps coming up is nuance right? It's it's. Something in between. Yeah yeah, think or both or or both or you call it disaster capitalism. It's hard to know I guess the question is how much is premeditated or how much is circumstantial but again more more questions and and I go to both ends of that spectrum. Yeah, very deeply well and the 3 of us we've we've evolved into people who. Are very comfortable questioning everything and going to places. Um that maybe you wouldn't go in mixed company. Yeah, um, so it's it's important again to um to find each other yeah yeah I mean that's that's generating a field. You know when we gather together that's like the whole point you know? yeah. I was saying to friends the other day you know I'm I'm pretty content. You know with my life and but if there's anything I long for it's it's tribal living. Yeah you know where everybody's together and.

01:23:23.66
mike merenda
You have everything and you grow everything and you yeah make everything and you share everything and the shamans there and you know it's just all the kids and the elders and yeah instead of atomized into individual homes. Everybody's got a car and everybody you know? Yeah everything comes from somewhere else and the homes are just sort of. Plunked Willy -nilly as you drive around you realize there's no real logic to the way we organize even our our shelters and living and now we just we just sort of take it for granted and um, it's very quinny in what you're saying ben Ben I are always bringing it back to daniel quinn ah for better or for worse. But I often romanticize and long for that sort of existence. Yeah.

01:24:06.24
bhardyx
It makes me think of what what we've already touched upon earlier in this conversation but it makes me think Mike of what Alison Sinatra said we always come back to and anything that divides is false and I maybe wonder if we extend that now and say anything that disconnects is false.

01:24:23.94
mike merenda
I Like that.

01:24:26.16
bhardyx
Modern society has kept us and and the past two years too everything has been about disconnection right? Even this right here Zoom calls technology we we are it's much easier doordash. It's just much easier to get everything you need or think you need all your needs met.

01:24:37.90
mike merenda
Yeah, right.

01:24:43.64
bhardyx
At home without leaving without seeing anybody without interacting acting with anybody without your fields physically interacting with others and it sounds Rob that you are taking this this goal or dream of of greater tribalism and you're actually acting on it and and that would be through the one way is through your.

01:24:48.29
mike merenda
Um, yeah.

01:25:02.54
bhardyx
Ah, Holistic Health those Holistic Health community days that that you are a part of correct can you tell us a little bit more about that.

01:25:07.10
mike merenda
Yeah, yeah, I'm actually um I'm not participating in the in the Healthcare day I'm just doing the virtual Healthcare week because it feels stronger to me because I'm in my healing space.

01:25:12.22
bhardyx
Um, okay gotcha.

01:25:24.98
mike merenda
And my house which is my favorite place to be rather than in a it's It's the opposite I was just saying but somehow it makes sense.

01:25:25.10
bhardyx
Um.

01:25:33.29
bhardyx
Well can you can you tell the listener though. Can you explain to the listener. What these these health healing days are.

01:25:39.80
mike merenda
Yeah, um, we um, occupy the local community center which has finally dropped its riggamaroles um in the last couple months and a number of practitioners come all different modalities. Um.

01:25:56.46
mike merenda
Including um biophoton you know the sharan biophon machine which is quite an amazing thing. That's a whole nother story. Um, this minor year. Yeah, yours it's it's Costa Rican um

01:26:11.74
mike merenda
we we gather it's kind of like in the in the documentary. We just kind of create a field in the space in a circle Cornelia actually goes around with flame and sort of cleanses the the space and we've got it down where.

01:26:18.32
bhardyx
Me.

01:26:28.48
mike merenda
People come in and choose a modality that they would like to receive it's first come first served it's different now after the pandemic I and I don't know exactly what detail and everyone comes and gets a treatment and there's no charge. And the and the whole point is to if you want to donate to support the Hhc you can or you can just figure out something to do for someone else. Yeah to pay it forward. You know it's really very simple.

01:27:00.57
bhardyx
It's simple but powerful I mean you're you're achieving so many things in one day a month. Um, and one of the biggest ones is getting your community together gathering around health and this is not just an individual health thing. It's really a communal health thing right? We're all coming together. We all have a need.

01:27:03.23
mike merenda
Um, yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah.

01:27:18.29
bhardyx
As we enter this center and we're interacting and meeting these other practitioners and learning of their mobile modalities. Maybe we were drawn there because we saw Modality or a practitioner we recognized but we come in This is what I'm learning from the documentary you come in and you might not get that because there's no space. So now the invitation is well can you open your mind.

01:27:31.97
mike merenda
Yeah.

01:27:38.10
bhardyx
To a modality. You've never experienced before so you have that on top of everything's free which in today in and in our society the idea of getting any sort of healthcare for free. Um, you know it boggles the mind a little bit.

01:27:48.15
mike merenda
Right? God forbid.

01:27:53.11
bhardyx
God forbid. But then the other piece that that was so incredible was to see the rest of the community donate in ways that supported the practitioners So free food for all the practitioners to eat prior to giving this service back to the community and all of a sudden it was like. All these doors and minds and connections were unlocked because some practitioners got together and said we just want to do this thing for our community for free and everyone is just onboard. It's Powerful. It's a model. Um I mean to the listener we're going to put a we'll put a link in the show notes because everyone should watch this short documentary particularly if you are in.

01:28:16.80
mike merenda
Um, yeah, yeah.

01:28:29.75
bhardyx
The the Healthcare space or you are in alternative medicine and you are in a community because I think it feels like this is easily replicable and scalable.

01:28:38.44
mike merenda
Absolutely and and on the website there is you can download a pdf of how we did it how you know how we set this thing up and and the factors that might be at play um in in different areas town rules. You know that kind of stuff.

01:28:45.83
bhardyx
Yeah, yeah.

01:28:55.53
mike merenda
And it's for any but any group of people anywhere in the world that want to replicate this and so that's also on the website. It's the actual how we did it how long has it been going about 7 years yeah this is in Stone Ridge New York in Marbletown Township

01:29:06.35
bhardyx
And and what for the listener again. What town is this happening in stone Rich Yeah yeah.

01:29:15.61
mike merenda
In the Community center. Um, and there's an email list if people want to be on it and now with the virtual I mean this is the beautiful thing that came out of this was the virtual Health care week. It's it's a full week and equal ah equal amount of offerings and you know.

01:29:34.59
mike merenda
You think you might be open to trying something yet. You didn't come here for this is like are you open to trying something where you're not even there with the person you know I mean a lot of it is on Zoom or on the phone. Um with me, there's nothing. You know we just scheduled the time. Um.

01:29:39.96
bhardyx
Yeah, yeah.

01:29:52.20
mike merenda
for for me it's the hour between eleven and noon and I charge up my healing room I bring in my helpers and invite their ancestors I mean everything ancestors Angelic Allies Ascended Masters Divine gods and goddesses. Any extra dimensional extraterrestrial beings that are working with that person and with me I invite them all to participate and then at Eleven Eleven I I bring a picture of the person in and start with my with my hands and go for about 20 minutes and then i. Leave the room but the and the the thing continues you know, um and that just opened me up. You know and for people who experience it. It's like wow you know we can be in different places and it's no one time. 1 of my clients for the remote was in Michigan and we realized later it was a different time zone but it was totally affected. It had nothing to do with the time zone you know? Yeah, it's like yeah yeah.

01:30:55.38
bhardyx
Right? right? now is now as that is as great.

01:31:04.83
mike merenda
I'm ah I am going to jump outside again I'm really ah sure cuzzling today good I haven't eaten yet. Yeah um, Ibra Abraham Kareem who brought forward bio geometry um has a Cd.

01:31:13.75
bhardyx
Go ahead.

01:31:24.56
mike merenda
15 minute Cd called serious odyssey serious as in egyptian star system. Um, it's not particularly interesting musically but it is but but it emanates b g three energy very powerfully. Said even just holding the Cd it emanates. Um I've had it playing on repeat in my house for 3 years at a subliminal level because apparently it has a one hundred Yard radius of the field it generates and everybody that comes in my house feels it. You know like.

01:31:59.41
bhardyx
Ah.

01:32:03.11
mike merenda
Wow, It feels really good in here. Yeah, so anyway, it's a I recommend it. You can download it or serious Odyssey I cannot remember who he talked into making the recording. He drove the person crazy. It had to be just right? You know the.

01:32:04.22
bhardyx
Okay, can you.

01:32:21.20
mike merenda
Shapes in the music and like I said it's interesting, not interesting Musically you know, particularly but it does something to you. It's not for listening. It's for experience. Yeah, it's an amazing way to put it. Yeah.

01:32:32.29
bhardyx
Well I'm going to download that Rob what are your your non-negotiables those daily habits that you do to tend to your terrain.

01:32:43.19
mike merenda
Um, oh my God Well, That's what this list is over here. Um I start with a ah a shilay drink with mushroom tinctures and some of the illumined products from Alphavetic. Ah, Alumin greens and Alumin gold and um B three ah, but well actually B twelve ah kind ah sort of a combination of Beach Liquid B 12 s um, mushroom capsules. You know? ah.

01:33:18.55
mike merenda
From Stem it's you know my community and if I'm microdosing I'll include it then you know either Psilocybin or Awachama you know San Pedro or or THc whatever Micro Tiny Um, and then i'll. Ah, maybe sometimes put some matcha in it and Cacao. Um Tumeric I mean it's all every day is just whatever comes to me, you know sometimes's I'll go through a whole series. Ah Chlorin dioxide solution for a period of time. Or these smoothies or dmso stuff or I mean there's There's so many I mean you know you saw it just depends when I'm but non-negotiable. Um, is time in nature every day and.

01:34:02.23
bhardyx
I.

01:34:13.16
mike merenda
In water every day that that's and just um, gratitude and community and um in touch with friends every day playing music as much as Possible. You know with humans I never practice I can't play by myself. It's just. Has to be with people. Um, experiencing healing modalities from other practitioners on a regular basis. Um, and lots of sleep I Love to sleep I walk every day and. I Go to the creek every day and whenever it's warm enough I get in I just stopped a couple weeks ago. Um, and also get away in the winter I'm not a big fan of winter get away to warm climates with Oceans and Sun sunlight every day I look in the sun every day.

01:35:11.63
bhardyx
Um, yeah, where's the best place for the listener to learn more about you as a musician as a healer.

01:35:11.93
mike merenda
Stare at it. You know.

01:35:20.77
mike merenda
Um I don't have a website I have ah a soundcloud page Rob Bassman you'll find me Rob Bassman that's kind of a sampling of different musics that I've been doing over um you know forever. Um I I'm on Facebook Rob Norris I think it's 18 Rob Norris 18 which is a 9 um I don't really have a web presence I don't do Instagram or Twitter old fashionshioned I guess and ah.

01:35:54.14
bhardyx
Um, well, that's why you stay so young.

01:35:55.85
mike merenda
People should definitely I'm also um, one of the producers of the music fan series at the Rosenale theater and we present music movies if you go to ah rosenale theater and look at the music fan. Yeah,, there's posters. Beautiful posters of all the movies we've presented. Um. And we're going to start having live music more cool. Great I Need more gigs. Yeah exactly and our friend Jude and I think we should do another little festival. Yeah Festival not in a field festival in a movie theater and theater something like that. Um, So yeah, rosesdae theateratre music fan series and holistichealthcomunity.org for sure. Yeah.

01:36:39.58
bhardyx
Awesome Rob Norse we appreciate you and thank you for coming on the podcast.

01:36:45.64
mike merenda
I'm so happy to be here. Thank you Great to see you guys.